The replies we’ve received via email since last night…

These are ALL of the replies we’ve received overnight.

Anyone who has requested to be added to lists/committees in their emails has been, and I have removed all names from these emails. Here they are.

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Wow. First, let me say, I love the energy of this group. And, in particular,

I am blown away by the organization and commitment of the core group of

activists and committees. The combination of excitement AND thoughtfulness

I’m seeing here is rare. I’ve been with a number of groups in the past which

start off big and energized, and then sort of fizzle out because nobody

wants to invest the time it takes to figure out details.

So, I heartily applaud you for that. It gives me a lot of hope for the

Occupy movement.

The other thing I want to do in this email is play the Devil’s Advocate a

little bit. Just for the sake of discussion – let me highlight some things

from your pros and cons list:

Cons:

-It’s about 2 1/2 miles from the financial district/downtown Reno area.

-It is not as immediately visible from the street.

I hate to say it, but those two cons actually seem like a huge deal. The

high visibility and physical location is a big part of what makes the

occupation in NYC so successful. It’s a beautiful thing really – the

reclaiming of public space in the middle of all those financial giants.

My fear is that the Occupy Reno group will invest a lot of time and money

into an alternative location (like the pool), find it disappointing, and

lose membership quickly as the weather chills.

Pros:

– meetings, a community library, food, camping, information, yoga, musical

performances, sign making, a garden, teach-ins. . .

These are all great things! But, do we really need a 24/7 occupation

somewhere to do them? Couldn’t we choose a more sustainable route?

My proposal is this: Keep doing the Saturday GA’s downtown, as that

resonates most strongly with the symbolism of the movement. And, organize

other community activities and initiatives that keep with the spirit of the

movement, but in a more sustainable way.

Thanks again for all your work. I wish I could make it to the GA on

Thursday, but I will be working then. If there’s a chance, would you be

willing to read some of this letter (the pros and cons part)? I would be

super grateful.

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Thank you for what you have done. My only opinion is for the infrastructure meeting to be moved to after the GA because most of the topics for that community has to do with location. My opinion of the last meeting was it lacked focus on the agenda because the goals were not clear because an occupation site had not been picked. The facilitators were AMAZING but the meeting did not seem to accomplish much because of the lack of an occupation site. I dig the Moana location! GREAT JOB!!!!

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Wow, I don’t know how to say thank-you adequately for all of your hard work

and dedication to this! “Thank-you”!!

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I think it would be a good idea to ask for a total waiver of fees from

government. This is a First Amendment issue. By not occupying somewhere that

would be costly for government, such as in front of the courthouse,

RenoOccupiers are making a great offer/concession – even though it decreases

the visibility of the movement locally.

Especially when the Occupiers are even bothering to get insurance.

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I think the Moana location is a good idea for most reasons, ,but agree with the concerns over visability….it should be a more downtown location.

I was in Portland last weekend and walked around the occupy Portland encampment..they have the blessing of the mayor there as he feels they have some legitamite grivvances..they are camped indefinitely in a park downtown, which is very, very visable.

They have tents for food distribution, a library, a community garden, a tent where people sign up to give workshops during the day and early evening, and boxes of free stuff all over….clothes, etc. Almost like a ‘city’ onto itself with a very strong emphasis on community/sharing resources. And they are getting a lot of media attention..and media attention in Portland is very, very hard to get. They have a lot of citizen media around too, inclding public access tv and community radio and community based newspapers..stuff Reno is very short on.

THe only thing I would watch out for is there is a flagrant, rampant use of marijuana, and this is what may do them in in the long run…and the homeless who are attracted to the site and often wonder around quite drunk, etc. Hygiene facilities seem kind of sparse there…I saw one portapotty, and a park restroom is in the middle of their site. Otherwise, it’s an awesome place! Mostly younger people, with a lot of people coming in on the weekends when marches/protests are originating from the occupy site.

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I am concerned a bit about this movements concern with the law.  Civil disobedience is not polite or obedient by deffinition.  If we are to bring attention to this action of the people we need to resist the laws that make it difficult to gather peaceably.  Are we peacefully occupying or not?  I think the unwillingness to get arrested could be the death of this movement in Reno.  If we are to show solidarity with our brothers and sisters across the world, we must not be concerned with the views of the powers that be.  They should be concerned with our views.  Let me show you a deffinition:oc·cu·py   /ˈɒkyəˌpaɪ/ Show Spelled [ok-yuh-pahy] Show IPA verb, -pied, -py·ing.

verb (used with object)

1. to take or fill up (space, time, etc.): Ioccupiedmyeveningsreadingnovels.

2. to engage or employ the mind, energy, or attention of: OccupythechildrenwithagamewhileIpreparedinner.

3. to be a resident or tenant of; dwell in: Weoccupiedthesamehousefor20years.

4. to take possessionand controlof (a place), as by military invasion.

5. to hold (a position, office, etc.).

I was hoping you take special notice of number 4, because thats what an occupation is.  TAKE POSSESSION AND CONTROL.  Not ask for it, not pay a permit for it, not wait for approval for it.  Lets get real please.

-“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants”.  Hopefully I don’t need to attribute this quote.

I will be sure to attend the GA on Thursday, and perhaps be persuaded to your course.

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Thoughts on any of this?

39 responses to “The replies we’ve received via email since last night…

  1. Cory I have rather liked and agree with a lot of what you have had to say.
    You got me to studying up on Thomas Jefferson last night. Reading the differences between Democracy and a Republic. I also have witnessed and worry about some people who seem to desire to tear down a very beautiful country, the USA. My feeling and hope is that they are the few misguided individuals and do not represent the majority. It breaks my heart to hear people so disinterested in their Democratic power to Vote and have no interest in getting Deeply involved in the political process. I have talked with a lot of people recently about their disinterest in politics because Obama hasn’t done enough for them. I ask, what have you done for your Republic? If all you did was cast 1 Vote one time and expected the world to change. Then shame on you. No one becomes expert at something after just one attempt. After many years as a Voter I am just barely an intermediate level voter. I have been saddened at GA to see anyone who even mentions a tiny aspect of the Democratic Political Process to become completely Silenced and blocked by the majority. The Tea Party has representation in Congress and they accomplished this so quickly.

    Here is a list of those Members of Congress who have officially joined the Tea Party Caucus for the 112th Congress:

    Sandy Adams (FL-24)
    Robert Aderholt (AL-04)
    Todd Akin (MO-02)
    Rodney Alexander (LA-05)
    Michele Bachmann (MN-06)
    Roscoe Bartlett (MD-06)
    Joe Barton (TX-06)
    Rob Bishop (UT-01)
    Gus Bilirakis (FL-09)
    Paul Broun (GA-10)
    Michael Burgess (TX-26)
    Dan Burton (IN-05)
    John Carter (TX-31)
    Bill Cassidy (LA-06)
    Howard Coble (NC-06)
    Mike Coffman (CO-06)
    Ander Crenshaw (FL-04)
    John Culberson (TX-07)
    Jeff Duncan (SC-03)
    Stephen Lee Fincher (TN-08)
    John Fleming (LA-04)
    Trent Franks (AZ-02)
    Phil Gingrey (GA-11)
    Louie Gohmert (TX-01)
    Vicky Hartzler (MO-04)
    Wally Herger (CA-02)
    Tim Huelskamp (KS-01)
    Lynn Jenkins (KS-02)
    Steve King (IA-05)
    Doug Lamborn (CO-05)
    Blaine Luetkemeyer (MO-09)
    Kenny Marchant (TX-24)
    Tom McClintock (CA-04)
    David McKinley (WV-01)

    I have always been quite afraid of the Tea Party movement because of how many of their signs and slogans I’ve collected with highly Racist notions. Though I am now wondering is that just a small percentage with the wrong idea, maybe.

    I have heard this word a lot since the last election:

    Apathy (also called impassivity or perfunctoriness) is a state of indifference, or the suppression of emotions such as concern, excitement, motivation and passion. An apathetic individual has an absence of interest in or concern about emotional, social, spiritual, philosophical or physical life.

    Well I think we are all waking up from our slumber!

    I heard Barney Frank say a couple days ago where were you all (OWS) when we were rallying for support to create a strong bank-reform bill. I know almost none of us noticed or Rallied at all. But the Banks were busy Lobbying harder than ever.

    We need to be the change we wish to see in the world. I try and remind myself this everyday. Yes, some of that now means strongly considering the positive benefits of the Occupy movement (if done in a non-violent manner) and I believe there are many. I also believe it means getting hard to work and REALLY being involved in the Democratic Process.
    We all need to take responsibility. Our Supreme Court Justices, Congress, Senate, President and Commander in Chief have let us down. We the people have also let them down and not held up to our end of the bargain.

    Finally I do want to salute and thank those who have started this movement in Reno. Who work diligently to make it and keep it a Legal and non-violent act. A movement reminding us all of our 1st Amendment Rights. Thank You

  2. Tom, OccupyReno, Especially Michelle Dunlavy I was vey rude towards you, I apolIogize. Jackie, Tim, Hip Hop, and Diane, I apologize to all of you, and to everyone else I may have offended, but failed to mention.

  3. Thanks mate. Forgiveness and solidarity.

  4. @Cory. No one has called for rebellion in a physical sense. If you were to come down and talk to us, you would find that many of us have had the same discussions that you are proposing.

    There has been chat about having a joint demonstration with any willing Tea Party members against corruption in government. No partisanship. No yelling at each other. Obviously individuals may disagree, but our media focuses an inordinate amount of attention on that . It wants to define us in ways that separate us rather than unite us.

    There HAVE been agitators and such among us who do not have a concept of the ideals that we propose, but rather have been told what to say to misrepresent us.

    We are non-violent by consensus, please recognize that we adopted non-violent non-aggressive values at our 3rd GA.

    • I will recognize that, and I would love to come and represent the tea party, problem is I’m not a tea partier. I just have been observing the movements (OWS, and Tea Party) through the media and blogs. Fir all my talk about coming out I have to admit that WAS smoke and mirrors, I have acute agoraphobia, my only real connection to any of these movements is through the news and blogs. I would love to speak with you guys in person, but this unfortunately to my regret is the best I can do to have my voice heard. I also have to admit that when you guys started making points that made since it kinda scared me, I didn’t want to admit that anyone with OWS COULD have any valid points due to all the antics I’ve observed. In all humility I want to admit all this because I am ashamed now that I allowed myself to make assumptions about OWS from a limited perspective. I apologize and yes Edward I do recognize your pledge to non violence. As someone with a different view as to the solutions to the mess we find ourselves in, I would like to say that I too make that pledge, and also to consider the individuals who are part of OWS, and to not lump every one together into one faceless movement. But instead to consider each voice independently. I truly am sorry for my brash and sarcastic responses to some of your posts.

  5. Apology accepted, Cory. I think when you strip away the layers of partisanship and clear away all the smears that BOTH sides are good at creating we have a lot more in common then differences. Both sides rant and rave loudly about how horrible the other is day in and day out – who can hear anything anyone is saying? If everyone is talking then no one is listening. Teevee personalities and Radio personalities and Blogging personalities, Oh My! I ask those on both sides of the issue to not be so easily duped by media disinformation. If the signal-to-noise ratio was better I think we might actual get somewhere.

    • Well said, I will do my best to live up to that standard and hope that if both sides can come together that THAT will be the voice this government and crony capitalists eventually hear; a united cry for change that NONE of them can ignore or exploit as “Their” movement as seems to be happening as you say on BOTH sides. We are Americans can overcome, I believe that’s what sets us apart from the rest of the world.

  6. I just want to be clear. I did NOT mean my last post as a threat. As long as you are peaceful there should be no problems, I just wanted to make the point that a rebellion like OWS and a call for a revolution will never work in the US, as in Greece, Egypt, and so on, for the simple fact that we as Americans have the right to keep and bear arms, just in case somebody or some group comes along with the intention of demanding and “occupying” what does not rightfully belong to them most important are, Life, Liberty, and Property.

  7. I posted an ad for anyone who would like to donate any commercial property they have open for our cause.
    near whr we need!

  8. You can keep deceiving yourself “evil poet”, but it will be you and those like you who will be arrested for your beliefs because you are fringe and last I checked, we still have the right to keep and bear arms. Remember that while you are railing against our system. This shot comes to my door and there will be some people dying for their beliefs. That’s not a threat it’s a damn promise. So keep it up evil poet. I see you believe in your cause so much you hid behind a nick name when you post. Reach down and find a pair and tell us your name if you are so committed to a cause like OWS.

    • What’s the matter Cory – did I hit a nerve? If you were smart like you seem to think you are you would have clicked on my nickname and already found out what my real name is. My full name is there in the About Me section. I think it’s very hypocritical of you to accuse me of hiding behind a nickname when you have name and avatar that go nowhere.

      • Yes ya kinda did hit a nerve Jackie. My apologies. I also have to admit I’m not very tech savvy or oriented, you just taught me something new thank you. All politics aside, you do Wonderfull photography you are very talented. I hope in the future OWS will be able to weed out the extreme behavior and be able to engage in real conversation, but as long as I see these antics it makes me want to speak out. Seeing your page kinda gave me a more human perspective to this whole mess, I think that both sides have very valid points, I propose that when your movement gets momentum and leadership, that they will sit down with tea party leadership, and if we can somehow, I don’t know how, but somehow find common ground. Reading through some of what you took me to on those sites opened my eyes that there are SOME occupy wallstreeters have very good and valid points. Thank you for helping me to gain some perspective. I still don’t agree with the whole idea of occupation and where I fear it will lead.

  9. Wait! There’s more!

    Right-Wing Website: 99 Percenters’ Twitter Hashtag Symbol Is ‘Bizarre Neo-Swastika’
    http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/10/19/347298/hashtag-swastika-nazi-99-percent/

  10. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    Read Cory’s links BUT also read this:

    A Guide To The Smear Campaign Against Occupy Wall Street
    http://mediamatters.org/research/201110180014

  11. You said it perfectly

    ” Jefferson felt it was important that the government be kept in check, even if those keeping them in check were not necessarily in the right. It wasn’t being in the “right” that kept the people free, but rather the fact that they had a voice and used it.”

    and that Voice being used is all that matters, all else is just the noise of Ego.

  12. Well guys I’m done debating. I’ve spoken my piece you can read (or not) my views and consider the evidence. Do your research, and good luck with your movement. I sure disagree with the OWS, but I do agree with your right to protest, and I do understand your frustrations, I just think you are wrong about the solutions so long as you show solidarity with the OWS crowd, who knows perhaps Reno will be something different.

    I’m done commenting on this site, I only wanted to put my (virtual) voice out there, I don’t want to debate or to incite beyond what I have already said. Happy marching!!

  13. I’m tired, I’m done for tonite. Tomorrow we can discuss the violence and arrests coming out of this movement.

  14. Some more from your movement. I must say for all the occupiers and their sympathizer’s who claim this is the lefts version of the tea party, NONE of this ever happened at a single event. In fact the tea party managed to have their voices heard and they didn’t have to “occupy” anything. They got their permits and protested as the law allows, but I digress.

    http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/10/18/occupy-cleveland-protester-alleges-she-was-raped/

  15. And more, this is some anti semitism going on in the movement you are so quick to embrace.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/13/more-anti-semitism-at-occupy-los-angeles/

  16. From this post, if this is not a call for blood what is?

    I am concerned a bit about this movements concern with the law.  Civil disobedience is not polite or obedient by deffinition.  If we are to bring attention to this action of the people we need to resist the laws that make it difficult to gather peaceably.  Are we peacefully occupying or not?  I think the unwillingness to get arrested could be the death of this movement in Reno.  If we are to show solidarity with our brothers and sisters across the world, we must not be concerned with the views of the powers that be.  They should be concerned with our views.  Let me show you a deffinition:oc·cu·py   /ˈɒkyəˌpaɪ/ Show Spelled [ok-yuh-pahy] Show IPA verb, -pied, -py·ing.

    verb (used with object)

    1. to take or fill up (space, time, etc.): Ioccupiedmyeveningsreadingnovels.

    2. to engage or employ the mind, energy, or attention of: OccupythechildrenwithagamewhileIpreparedinner.

    3. to be a resident or tenant of; dwell in: Weoccupiedthesamehousefor20years.

    4. to take possessionand controlof (a place), as by military invasion.

    5. to hold (a position, office, etc.).

     

    I was hoping you take special notice of number 4, because thats what an occupation is.  TAKE POSSESSION AND CONTROL.  Not ask for it, not pay a permit for it, not wait for approval for it.  Lets get real please.

    -”The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants”.  Hopefully I don’t need to attribute this quote.

    Whoever wrote this, no you don’t have to attribute the quote, but you should do some research on it, since you failed to quote the whole thing in context. Nope instead you are just regurgitating talking points. You gave a partial quote from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to William Smith in 1787 in reference to an uprising in Massachusetts after the American Revolution.

    “Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. And what country can preserve its liberties, if it’s rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”

    Jefferson is referring, specifically, to the Shays’ Rebellion. If you look at the context of the quote, it appears that Jefferson actually believed the men who took arms were essentially wrong about the facts, but he still considered them patriotic for making their voices heard. Jefferson felt it was important that the government be kept in check, even if those keeping them in check were not necessarily in the right. It wasn’t being in the “right” that kept the people free, but rather the fact that they had a voice and used it.

    The specific meaning to the last part of the quote, the piece most often quoted, isn’t an incitement to violence against the state (which it has unfortunately been sometimes misconstrued to be), but rather seems an acceptance of some degree of violence as a necessary element to keeping freedom safe… a “necessary evil”, if you will.

    What is often missed is that Jefferson immediately preceded the most quoted part of the letter with his solution for the state: “to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them.”

  17. Normally I’m a warm wearer kinda guy, but this year I hope for a very cold winter. Maybe then you will all go home to mommy and daddy. I also hope for high winds since you can’t steak your tents down. Do I still not have my facts right Tom?

  18. Oh and occupyreno! In one of your posts you talked about a garden, how’s that going for ya, NOT gonna happen is it? Smile for the camera everybody!!

  19. Tom don’t preach to me about facts, because the fact is you are the one who just made an ass out of himself. I have proof, I will get more proof, and will show the rest of the country, you and your movement are all the proof I need, if you would like a taste check out Portland Oregon Occupy protest on October 15, 2011… Go ahead google it!! It’s right there on YouTube, right where the video of Occupy Reno protest is going to go. There are WAY too many examples of your movement calling for blood in the streets, calls for violence, and YES, calls for an end to the USA. hell,l even in Seattle an occupy wall street protestor was arrested for exposing himself to children!!! These are the types of people who sympathize with your movement, not to mention the Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatolly Hemini or whatever the f@CK his name is. Yep you all choose a he’ll of a group to affiliate with, and it sounds (if I’m to believe what I read) you guys don’t even know what the hell this movement is all about. Sure you can yell some talking points through a bull horn, but now you are asking me to tell you, and to give you proof of what your movement believes and is calling for Wow!! Hey Tommy boy time to grow up.

  20. Maybe you are all in this mess because you failed to learn a very basic fundamental of life…. Its called research. Do your own research about this movement you are so quick to embrace. Instead of regurgitating talking points at each other, try doing some good old fashioned research. I challenge you Michelle Dunlavy find it for yourself. I assure you it has happened several times all across the country, and not only do I have a URL, I have a website, and video evidence. Seek it out, it’s there. But don’t worry, I will be back out again with video camera in hand, ready to show the rest of the country that Reno too, has it’s entitled brats.

  21. I have to agree that a protest that essentially rents a site and puts obeying all laws at the forefront isn’t really a protest. It’s more like a group that rents an office and puts signs on the outside windows. This would seem to have all the impact of a political party’s headquarters. I don’t get it.

    It seems to me that we’re lacking passion. We want to make a statement, but not not if it bothers anyone. You bring a protest to the city; you don’t beg its permission.

  22. Moana = Marginalized.

  23. These are only emails about support for this so called movement. What about the voice of the people who oppose you? No room for that in the socialist utopia you are trying to create. Figures! This movement is a joke, and your call for an end of the USA is a brazen display of ignorance. Your followers openly admit to breaking the law. Yes you have a first amendment right, but that right ends when you break the law.

    • I don’t see nor have I heard any calls for the fall of the USA. I understand not everybody is gonna be for this movement, and those that aren’t are entitled to their opinion. Just please have your facts straight if you’re actually gonna voice them.

    • Cory, I posted ALL of the emails that came in about this. If you read carefully, you will see there certainly are points of criticism, though constructive. We aren’t censoring any of your posts, so I think we are representing all sides fairly that take the time to discuss.

    • Point out the ‘call for an end of the USA’ please? I’d like a link to the exact URL.